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Planning Board Minutes - May 9, 2005
Those present at the May 9, 2005 Planning Board meeting
were:
Planning Board Members: Steve Watts – Chairman
Don Roberts – Vice Chairman
Rich Berkowitz
Cindy Patenaude
Marcel Nadeau
Tom Ruchlicki
John Higgins
Alternate
Planning Board Members: Daphne Jordan
Bob Beck
Planner: Jeff Williams
Town Attorney: Bob Chauvin
Deputy Town Attorney: Lyn Murphy
Town Board Liaisons: Mindy Wormuth
Walt Polak
CHA Representative: Mike Bianchino
Mr. Watts opened the May 9, 2005 Planning Board Meeting at
7:01 pm. Mr. Watts asked the Planning Board if they have
reviewed the April 25, 2005 Planning Board Minutes. Mr.
Roberts made a motion to approve the April 25, 2005 Planning
Board Minutes. Mr. Nadeau seconded. Motion carried.
Public Hearings:
05.111 PH A & M Sports Complex, McBride Road – Special Use
Permit/GEIS
Mr. Watts opened the Public Hearing at 7:02 pm. Mr. Watts
asked if anyone would like to have the Public Notice Read.
No one responded. Mr. Scott Lansing, of Lansing Engineering,
proposes a Special Use Permit/GEIS for A & M Sports Complex.
Mr. Lansing stated that the parcel is approximately
95-acres. Mr. Lansing stated that there is existing soccer
on the site used by the Mechanicville-Stillwater Youth
Soccer League. Mr. Lansing stated that the applicants are
proposing a Special Use Permit for 3 softball fields, 1
pavilion, 3 outdoor basketball courts and 80 parking spaces
that are accessible from McBride Road. Mr. Lansing stated
the applicants also have plans for a PDD. Mr. Lansing stated
the proposed PDD would consist of a 20,000 SF gymnasium and
approximately 60 parking spaces. Mr. Lansing stated the
applicants are aware that they are proceeding at their own
risk pursuing the 3 softball fields, the Special Use Permit
and the 3 outdoor basketball courts. Mr. Lansing stated the
applicants are aware that they would have to return to the
Planning Board for the approval of the PDD and realize that
whatever decisions that may be made for the PDD could be
subject to modification to the Special Use application
consisting of the softball fields they propose to construct.
Mr. Lansing stated that the applicants have submitted a
letter to the Planning Board stating that they are pursuing
at their own risk regarding the Special Use Permit proposal.
Mr. Lansing stated the applicants do want to move forward
with just the Special Use Permit application at this time.
Mr. Lansing stated the applicants would like to get the
fields constructed so they may be utilized this year. Mr.
Watts asked if anyone from the Public wished to speak. Mr.
David Decelle of 22 McBride Road stated that the proposed
facility would be located directly behind his home and is in
favor of the proposal. Mr. Decelle stated the proposed
project would provide positive alternatives for the children
and the adults in the community. Mr. Decelle stated the
proposed project would directly affect him when he looks out
his back window and further stated the project would be a
good community benefit for both children and adults to
exercise. Mr. Decelle stated the proposed project would be a
great tool to teach teamwork and sportsmanship to the
children in the community. Mr. Watts stated the Board has
received a couple of letters to be read into the Public
record. Mr. Watts read a letter (see attachment #1) from Tom
and Sandy McBride. Mr. Watts read a letter (see attachment
#2) from Don and Patricia Carola. Mr. Watts stated there was
a letter received from Steven McBride stating they were
proceeding at their own risk with the Special Use Permit
application. Ms. Ann Amann stated she is directly affected
by the proposed project, as she owns 3 lots next to
Hillcrest Fire Station. Ms. Amann asked if there has been a
study on traffic as there is a blind curve. Mr. Lansing
stated the proposed access meets the sight distance criteria
for an access roadway. Ms. Amann stated she felt the sight
distance should be checked out by NY State, as there is a
blind curve that will affect traffic going in and coming out
of the site. Ms. Amann stated that their well is located in
the back of their middle lot and feels that the proposed
septic for the proposed gym may affect their property. Ms.
Amann asked what type of septic system is proposed. Mr.
Lansing stated that they are proposing a raised type septic
system. Mr. Lansing stated that this is represented in the
conceptual plan for the PDD. Mr. Lansing stated that when
and if they get to the preliminary design they would check
to see that the septic does meet the NYDOH requirements. Ms.
Amann stated she had concerns with the parking area and
asked if there would be down lighting. Ms. Amann stated she
is also concerned with children playing and yelling and
adults using rowdy language on the basketball courts. Mr.
Watts asked what they are proposing relative to lavatory
facilities at the site. Mr. Lansing stated they would have
portable type units that would be used at the bigger events.
Mr. Lansing stated they did not have plans for any restroom
facilities at this time. Mr. Watts stated the McBride
property is zoned Agricultural Residential. Mr. Watts stated
that the PDD legislation, if and when it is approved, would
be very specifically written as to the use that would be
permitted because it would be a zoning change. Mr. Watts
stated they were not at the PDD part of the project yet. Mr.
Watts stated the Board is only addressing the issue of the
Special Use Permit for the fields and basketball courts. Ms.
Amann stated that she was very much in favor of the proposed
project for the Special Use Permit and it would be a good
benefit for the children. Mr. Watts closed the Public
Hearing at 7:15 pm. Mr. Roberts asked if there would be
port-a-johns for the large events. Mr. Lansing stated that
he imagines the applicants would bring in port-a-johns for
the larger events. Mr. Roberts stated that he feels the
port-a-johns should be available for all the events. Mr.
Watts stated that some baseball games last a couple of hours
and facilities should be available for people to use during
that time. Mr. Steve McBride stated that during the season,
port-a-johns would be available at all times for all events.
Mr. Higgins asked if the entrance next to Hillcrest is
intended as part Special Use Permit. Mr. Lansing stated that
it was not. Mr. Higgins asked if the only access would be
off of McBride Road and would there be any way to drive from
the parking area over to the rear field. Mr. Lansing stated
people would have to walk from the parking lot to the
fields. Mr. Higgins asked if anyone had looked at emergency
access to the rear fields. Mr. Higgins stated that they
would discuss this in their committee meeting. Mrs.
Patenaude stated there are a lot of very positive things
with the fields and the idea that it does meet with the
master plan of active recreational fields in this area. Mrs.
Patenaude stated the proposed fields are needed and would
provide a place for the Halfmoon and Mechanicville residents
to use. Mr. Watts stated he felt there are many unmet
recreational needs for the children and adults in the area.
Mr. Watts stated he would like the committee to meet soon so
the proposed project could be placed on May 23, 2005
Planning Board Agenda. Mr. Lansing stated that it was his
understanding that the committee was set-up for the proposed
PDD. Mr. Roberts stated that the committee was set-up for
the Special Use Permit and the PDD. Mr. Watts asked if there
was a plan for the traffic. Mr. Bianchino asked Mr. Lansing
where the access would be for the Special Use Permit. Mr.
Lansing stated the access would be from McBride Road. Mr.
Nadeau stated that even though the access would be on
McBride Road the traffic would still be coming through the
intersection at Johnson and Pruyn Hill Roads and the sight
distance would need to be looked at in this area. Mr.
Berkowitz asked how much increase there would be in traffic.
Mr. Lansing stated he did not remember the exact number from
the traffic study but they did not show an impact on the
level of service for the roadways or the intersection. Mr.
Lansing stated the traffic study has been submitted to CHA
for review. Mr. Watts asked if the access for the current
soccer fields would be the same access for the baseball
fields and basketball courts. Mr. Lansing stated that where
McBride Road takes a sharp turn there is an access point
that is utilized for the soccer fields and they propose to
use that access point to access approximately 36 parking
spaces. Mr. Lansing stated that there is an existing
driveway that will be utilized for the other 44 parking
spaces. Mr. Bianchino asked what the sight distance was from
the driveway access looking west. Mr. Lansing stated that
area was not measured because that area was more of a
straight shot on McBride Road. Mr. Lansing stated the
topography was consistent through that area both vertically
and horizontally and feels the sight distance is fine in
that area. Mr. Berkowitz asked if there was room to turn
around in the far parking lot if all the spaces are being
utilized. Mr. Lansing stated there is a hammerhead turn
around in that parking area. Mr. Bianchino stated the issue
of the sight distance with the existing curb cuts has been
looked at and approved previously, as it was the best
location on that curve. Mr. Bianchino stated that the sight
distance for existing driveway that is now being utilized to
access the second parking lot has not been reviewed by CHA.
Mr. Bianchino stated that his only concern was, when you
look west as you come around the curve in front of the
church, is there enough sight distance looking back in that
direction. Mr. Bianchino stated that this area would have to
be reviewed by CHA. Mr. Watts stated that there are two
access points that have issues. Mr. Watts stated those
issues will be referred to CHA for review. Mr. Watts stated
in the interim the committee would meet and go over these
issues also.
This item was tabled and referred to CHA and the Planning
Board Committee for review to obtain additional information
regarding sight distance.
05.151 PH Kennedy Lane Subdivision, 7 Kennedy Lane – Minor
Subdivision
Mr. Watts opened the Public Hearing at 7:19 pm. Mr. Watts
asked if anyone would like to have the Public Notice Read.
No one responded. Mr. Scott Lansing, of Lansing Engineering,
proposes a minor subdivision on Kennedy Lane. Mr. Lansing
stated the proposed subdivision would create a 35,000 SF lot
with the remaining area being 7.87-acres. Mr. Lansing stated
that at the last Planning Board Meeting it was his
understanding that the Board requested that two notes be
added to the plans. Mr. Lansing stated the proposed lot has
an existing residential structure and would have a note
stating that this lot will be used for residential use only
since it was a pre-existing non-conforming use in a C-1
zoned area. Mr. Lansing stated the second note was that the
residential use could not be expanded or enlarged. Mr.
Lansing stated that both of those notes have been added to
plans. Mr. Watts asked if anyone from the Public wished to
speak. No one responded. Mr. Watts closed the Public Hearing
at 7:21 pm. Mr. Higgins stated the original site with the
residence is to be strictly residential with no business
operation. Mr. Higgins asked Mr. Lansing if the original
plan stated that the residence would be strictly residential
with no businesses and any commercial or business uses would
be transferred over to the other site. Mr. Lansing stated
that was correct. Mrs. Patenaude asked if these notes were
on the existing plans. Mr. Williams stated they were not but
these notes will be required prior to final stamping of the
plans.
Mr. Roberts made a motion to approve the Kennedy Lane Minor
Subdivision contingent upon the addition of two notations on
final plans stating there will be no commercial use and no
expansion of residential use. Mr. Nadeau seconded. Motion
carried.
Public Informational Meeting:
05.150 PIM Pal’s After School & Summer Camp, 282 Grooms Road
–
Change of Tenant/Use
Mr. Watts opened the Public Informational Meeting at 7:23
pm. Mr. Watts asked if anyone would like to have the Public
Notice Read. No one responded. Mr. Tom Andress, of ABD
Engineering, stated that the Pal’s After School & Summer
Camp proposes to purchase and utilize the existing Latham
Medical Building located on 282 Grooms Road. Mr. Andress
stated that Pal’s currently run two other daycare facilities
in the area. Mr. Andress stated the other two locations are
in Halfmoon-Executive Park and the Crossings. Mr. Andress
stated that the applicant is proposing to utilize this
location for after school and summer program use. Mr.
Andress stated that the facility would be maintained in its
existing configuration. Mr. Andress stated that some of the
parking spaces would be eliminated in the front of the
building to accommodate school bus drop-off and pick-up. Mr.
Andress stated there is an area where they can bank some
spaces for future use if needed. Mr. Andress stated that the
largest improvement would be for a proposed enclosed play
area east of the facility. Mr. Andress stated that the
proposed play area has some brush and trees that they are
proposing to clear. Mr. Andress stated that the larger trees
would remain and they are proposing to install a white 6 FT.
high vinyl fence on three sides and chain-link fence on the
side that is away from the access to Timberwick. Mr. Andress
stated that they are also proposing to put plantings in
front of the fenced area. Mr. Andress stated that generally
the play area is not used until after at least 1:00 pm so
there would be no morning use. Mr. Andress stated the
afternoon use of the play area would depend on the weather.
Mr. Andress stated the play area would not be used after
5:00 pm. Mr. Watts asked if any one from the Public wished
to speak. Ms. Sandy LaFountain, of 23 Birchwood Drive and
routing specialist for the Shenendehowa School District. Ms.
LaFountain asked if the applicant is proposing to use the
overhang area for the buses. Mr. Andress stated that the
overhang area will only be used for cars and the buses would
stay outside of the overhang area. Mr. Andress stated that 8
parking spaces would be eliminated so the buses would be
able to turn around and the buses can then come back out.
Mr. Andress stated that Pal’s has made a run with the buses
to make sure that the turns could be made. Ms. LaFountain
asked if the buses used were 66 or 75 passenger buses. Mr.
Andress stated yes. Ms. LaFountain stated she had concerns
with the buses leaving the site as cars do travel at a high
rate of speed on Grooms Road. Ms. LaFountain stated that
buses do not move along as fast as a car does leaving the
Grooms Road location. Ms. LaFountain asked if the proposed
location would replace Pal’s located at Executive Park
Drive. Mr. Andress stated that this would be an additional
Pal’s site. Ms. LaFountain stated that no one has contacted
her office regarding the students that would attend the
proposed new location. Ms. Russell stated that she would be
in contact with Ms. Lafountain at a later date. Mr. Bill
Gerstein, of 55 Timberwick Drive, stated he had concerns
with the traffic and the obligation of 220 children being
picked up at this site between the hours of 5:00 and 6:00
pm. Mr. Gerstein stated that currently it is very difficult
to make a left-hand turn off of Grooms Road into Timberwick
and with the additional traffic just a couple hundred yards
away he has concerns that this would now create more
difficulty in making a left-hand turn. Mr. Gerstein further
stated that the general flow of Grooms Road traffic is not
being addressed. Mr. Gerstein stated that he did not have
any statistics but the intersection of Grooms and Woodin
Roads have had a lot more accidents since the zoning has
been changed. Mr. Gerstein stated his backyard abuts the
proposed Pal’s project. Mr. Gerstein stated that with the
proposed removal of foliage he will now have less of a
buffer to Grooms Road and he has concerns with the noise
with the kids and the traffic on Grooms Road. Mr. Gerstein
stated he is mostly concerned with traffic safety and feels
we are looking at a disaster. Mr. Andress stated that Mr.
Gerstein was correct on the number of students as being
approximately 220. Mr. Andress stated that the time period
for the cars leaving the site starts around 2:30 pm and
leave in increments up to 6:00 pm. Mr. Andress stated that
the children would be leaving up over a four-hour period of
time. Mr. Andress stated the proposed daycare would not
create as much traffic as the Medical Center had in the
afternoon. Mr. Andress stated that a sight distance analysis
has not been conducted at this site. Mr. Andress stated they
would look at the sight distance to make a determination on
what the sight distance is based upon the speed that is
being traveled aside from the posted speed on Grooms Road.
Mr. Andress stated that the area they are proposing to
remove vegetation is immediately adjacent to the Timberwick
entrance where there are no homes. Mr. Andress stated they
are proposing to add an additional buffer with a fence where
the vegetation will be removed. Mr. Andress stated he did
not feel there would be any affect to the homes south of the
proposed project. Mr. Watts asked if the trip generation
would be 350 trips per day. Mr. Andress stated that number
was provided by Latham Medical Center. Mr. Watts asked what
the number of trips per day would be for Pal’s. Mr. Andress
stated their analysis is approximately 220 children. Mr.
Andress stated they did an analysis between the hours of
7:00 am and 6:00 pm on an hourly basis of the children
coming in. Mr. Watts stated that their report showed 250
trips per day. Mr. Andress stated that was correct. Mr.
Brian Hurysz, of 4 Timberwick Drive, stated that his
property is adjacent to the site and he would be the closest
neighbor. Mr. Hurysz stated that daycare and childcare is a
very important asset for the community. Mr. Hurysz stated
that having access to a facility that is very close to your
home is very important. Mr. Hurysz stated that his children
attended Kid’s Connection that is located in the Harvest
Church on Grooms Road. Mr. Hurysz stated from his
prospective this is a very good plan and he is very
supportive of the proposed project. Mr. Chris DaCunha, of 57
Timberwick Drive, stated he is primary concern is with the
traffic. Mr. DaCunha stated that making a left-hand turn off
of Woodin Road onto Grooms Road was a problem. Mr. Hurysz
stated he challenged anyone to go to that intersection and
try to make each one of those turns. Mr. Hurysz stated it
was very dangerous and if there are going to be school buses
coming out of the proposed site onto Grooms Road, he
believes there will be issues and accidents. Mr. Hurysz
stated that when try to make a left hand turn onto
Timberwick Drive from Grooms Road, traffic backs up all the
way past Sorrentino’s Deli back to Route 9. Mr. Hurysz
stated he has used Pal’s and he feels they have a great
facility but doesn’t think the proposed site is not a good
location based on the traffic and there will be issues with
the buses coming through that area. Mr. Hurysz stated the
traffic coming in the morning and afternoon hours for Pal’s
would be compressed in a time frame that is much smaller
than the Medical Center. Mr. Hurysz stated that the Medical
Center’s traffic was spread over the period of a complete
working day. Mr. Hurysz stated he was curious on how the
number of cars coming in and out of the daycare each day was
calculated. Mr. Andress stated the estimated trip count was
based upon the trips that occur at the current Pal’s
facility and those numbers were doubled for the proposed
site. Mr. Andress stated that because of the use of the
facility and many of the children coming in on buses there
are specific times that the buses would be coming into the
site. Mr. Andress stated that based upon the traffic there
would be very little traffic in the morning and almost no
traffic coming in during the noon time period. Mr. Andress
stated the only time the buses would be coming in during the
evening traffic would be parents picking up their children.
Mr. Hurysz stated that with 220 children he calculates that
there would be approximately 400 cars coming in and leaving
that site each day. Mr. Andress stated the numbers show that
a lot of the children would be dropped off and picked up by
the buses. Mr. Hurysz stated the Medical Center is not a
very busy practice and he feels the traffic pattern will be
significantly higher than it currently is. Mr. Vic Osborne,
of 1 Windham Court/59 Timberwick, stated that his home is
directly behind the Medical Center. Mr. Osborne stated he
has not seen more than 50 cars in the parking lot in a
week’s time. Mr. Osborne stated he has an issue with the
security lights that are on at night. Mr. Osborne stated
that every so often these lights are moved and the lights
shine right onto his house. Mr. Osborne stated that foliage
was supposed to be put in and that proposal was never done.
Mr. Osborne stated he had concerns with noise abatement and
visual esthetics as it impedes the price of his home. Mr.
Osborne stated that noise carries into his area and with 120
to 220 kids every day the noise will be unbearable. Mr.
Osborne stated that it was mentioned that the outdoor play
area would not be used until after 1:00 pm. Mr. Andress
stated that was correct. Mr. Osborne asked if that time
would change during summer hours. Ms. Russell stated that
the summer camp hours are 7:00 am to 6:00 pm. Ms. Russell
stated that in the summer the children go on field trips
everyday. Mr. Osborne stated that when he purchased his
property he was told the area was zoned Professional
Office/Residential and he feels the proposed use would be
commercial used. Mr. Watts stated the proposed project is a
permitted in PO/R. Mr. Osborne stated that he feels the
number given by the Medical Center as 350 trips per day is
trumped-up. Mr. Osborne stated if that were the case then he
feels the Medical Center would still be there and would not
be moving out. Mr. Osborne stated that a study should be
done in the peak hours between 2:30 pm and 6:00 pm. Mr.
Osborne stated that at the present time Grooms Road has more
than enough traffic. Mr. Osborne stated that there have been
people who lived in the Timberwick development who have had
close calls and a friend of his was rammed and totalled
between the Timberwick entrance and Woodin Road. Mr. Watts
closed the Public Informational Meeting at 7:52 pm. Mrs.
Patenaude asked if the number of children would change
during the summer program and would the children be picked
up at the same time, as they are when school is in session.
Mrs. Russell stated the number would pretty much remain the
same. Mrs. Russell stated the drop off time for the children
in the summer is between 7:00 am to 10:00 am. Mrs. Patenaude
stated she had concerns with the buses, the children and
cars being in the parking lot all at the same time. Mrs.
Patenaude stated there are potential dangers inherent in
that kind of situation. Mrs. Patenaude asked why the buses
were not pulling up next to the building. Mr. Tom Andress
stated there might have been a misunderstanding on his part
when he was explaining this to Ms. LaFountain. Mr. Andress
stated the bus pick-up/drop-off area would be completely
closed off to the cars during that time. Mrs. Patenaude
asked how the area would be closed off. Mr. Andress state
this would have to be looked at but he assumes that the area
would be coned off during that time. Mr. Berkowitz asked if
there was a difference in sight distances for buses verses
cars coming out of the driveway. Mr. Andress stated that
there were none that he was aware of. Mr. Andress stated
that most of the sight distance criteria are not for the
people pulling across into the traffic but when you pull
into traffic and the traffic has to stop behind you. Mr.
Andress stated that most of the sight distances that they
have been providing is when the car traveling along does not
have to slow down. Mr. Andress stated they would look at
what the sight distances are for the proposed site. Mr.
Ruchlicki stated this was related to the amount of traffic.
Mr. Ruchlicki stated that he did not think it was possible,
especially during peak travel hours, for a bus to exit the
proposed site without slowing traffic down. Mr. Watts asked
how many buses there would be per day at the proposed site.
Mr. Andress stated there would be 5 to 6 buses between the
hours of 2:30 pm to 3:00 pm. Mr. Andress stated that there
would be 2 buses between 10:45 am go 11:00 am for a total of
7 to 8 buses per day. Mrs. Patenaude asked if the children
will all be dropped off/picked up by parents and no buses
will be used in the summer. Mr. Andress stated that was
correct. Mr. Berkowitz asked how many times Pal’s own buses
would be coming in and out of the site. Mrs. Russell stated
Pal’s buses are only used for summer camp. Mr. Polak stated
he can’t see how the buses can make the turn in the proposed
bus area without running into the vegetation to the left of
the area. Mr. Andress stated that some of the parking spaces
are going to be taken out in that area. Mr. Higgins stated
that according to the map the curb cut on Grooms Road states
it is 24 FT. wide, which are two 12 FT. lanes. Mr. Higgins
asked if that area could be opened further to give a right
turn lane so that stacking doesn’t occur. Mr. Bianchino
stated if there was enough room this could be done but would
require a permit from the County. Mr. Nadeau stated that the
problem is not with Pal’s proposal but with Grooms Road
traffic. Mr. Nadeau stated the Medical Center might be a
site that is over developed for this use. Mr. Nadeau stated
one of his initial concerns with this proposal was the
traffic issue. Mr. Watts stated there are a number of school
buses that go in and out of developments off of Grooms Road.
Mr. Watts stated that the sight lines at Ponderosa or
Mapleridge are probably worse than they are at the proposed
site’s location and there is a clear issue of sight lines
with buses all along Grooms Road. Mr. Watts stated there are
issues with screening, the parking lot, lighting and sight
distance at this site. Mr. Watts stated they have heard the
concerns with the neighbors relative to whether this fits
and what can be done in terms of alleviating the concerns of
the Board and the Public. Mr. Watts stated Mr. Andress
should also contact Shenendehowa School personnel to get
their comments on the bus issue. Mr. Berkowitz asked if
Latham Medical has moved out of the building. Mr. Andress
stated there are still a few doctors there and they will
eventually be completely out of the building. Mr. Berkowitz
asked if there are other tenants in the Latham Medical
Building. Mr. Andress stated that he did not know the tenant
situation now but when the building is sold everyone would
be out of the building. Mr. Berkowitz asked if the building
was at maximum use when Dr. Schnackenberg gave the 350 trips
per day traffic estimate. Mr. Andress stated yes that number
was when they were at maximum use. Mr. Roberts stated the
Town definitely needs daycare but they have to make sure
that it is done safely. Mr. Andress asked if the Board would
want to set up a committee to look at the concerns and
issues. Mr. Berkowitz stated that once Mr. Andress provides
the Board with additional information regarding the
screening, parking lot, lighting, noise and traffic
concerns, the Board would then address the issue of setting
up a committee if needed. Mr. Osborne asked if the current
zoning allowed for daycare facilities. Mr. Chauvin stated he
is a resident of Timberwick development and although he does
not feel he has a conflict of interest, he is going to let
Mrs. Murphy respond. Mrs. Murphy stated that permitted uses
in the PO/R zone allow uses deemed acceptable by the
Planning Board.
This item was tabled for additional information regarding:
sight distance, noise abatement and traffic concerns on
Grooms Road.
Old Business:
04.125 OB Stone Quarry Estates, Stone Quarry Road – Major
Subdivision
Mr. Scott Lansing, of Lansing Engineering, proposes a Major
Subdivision on Stone Quarry Road. Mr. Lansing stated they
have revised their site plan from the plan that was
previously submitted to the Planning Board. Mr. Lansing
stated the previously site plan included approximately 20
plus lots with long roadways traversing through the parcel.
Mr. Lansing stated since the last submission the applicant
has obtained boundary and topography for the site and in
addition have performed test pits on the site to see what
kind of overburden there is over the top of the rock. Mr.
Lansing stated that based on the boundaries, topography and
the test pits they have come up with a more realistic site
plan for the parcel. Mr. Lansing stated the applicant is now
proposing 10 single-family residential lots with one roadway
by proposing a cul-de-sac. Mr. Lansing stated the roadway is
approximately 500 FT. long. Mr. Lansing stated the
development is proposed to be serviced by public water by
extending water from Route 9 that is approximately 21,000
linear feet from the site. Mr. Lansing stated he has talked
with Mr. Tironi who advised that the water is located by the
Hockey Hut on Route 9 by the intersection of Stone Quarry
Road and Route 9. Mr. Lansing stated that public sewer would
extend approximately 28,000 linier feet. Mr. Lansing stated
they are proposing a low-pressure sanitary system out Stone
Quarry Road through easement that would eventually go to the
Woodin Oaks pump station. Mr. Lansing stated that storm
water would be managed on site with a storm water management
area located at the low point on the parcel. Mr. Lansing
stated he was before the Board to introduce the changes to
the proposed development and to obtain comments from the
Board and a referral to CHA and to advance the project. Mr.
Higgins stated that he does not feel that storm water
retention basins should be adjacent to the roadways. Mrs.
Patenaude asked where the access would be for Lot #1. Mr.
Lansing stated the access would be directly off of Stone
Quarry Road. Mr. Berkowitz asked if water for the project
would be out-of-district. Mr. Lansing stated that he would
check with Mr. Tironi to see if the water was in or
out-of-district. Mr. Chauvin asked if there would be water
system improvements as far as granting the right to move up
Stone Quarry Road. Mr. Lansing stated that other than the
water extension of the main Mr. Tironi did not mention
anything. Mrs. Patenaude asked if the access point to Lot #1
would be shown on the map. Mr. Lansing stated that they
would add that to the plans. Mr. Lansing stated that no
driveway locations are on the current map. Mr. Watts stated
that the issue keeps coming up regarding where the storm
water management area would be located. Mr. Watts asked Mr.
Bianchino is there was any particular engineering point of
view where the storm water management area should be located
or is it an esthetic opinion. Mr. Bianchino stated that
storm water management areas needed to be located at the
lowest point. Mr. Chauvin stated that the applicant should
be in contact with the Highway Department as they have
concerns with the accessibilities of these areas that they
need to maintain. Mr. Polak asked where the outfall is
located. Mr. Lansing stated the outfall goes to the roadside
swale so drainage patterns are maintained. Mr. Watts asked
if that was the low point. Mr. Lansing stated that was
correct. Mr. Berkowitz asked if the Town or the landowner
owned the pond. Mr. Lansing stated that it was part of the
parcel but the lot was big enough where they could dedicate
that to the Town. Mr. Polak asked if there would be
reconstruction along Stone Quarry Road to get the water down
to the creek. Mr. Lansing stated that the project is showing
a well-defined swale on the side of the road.
This item was tabled and referred to CHA for review.
04.214 OB Fellows Road PDD, Fellows Road – Major
Subdivision/PDD
Mr. Roberts recused himself from this item and Mrs. Jordan
replaced him. Mr. Scott Lansing, of Lansing Engineering,
stated the objective of appearing before the Board was to
set a Public Informational Meeting as part of the PDD
process to advance toward a positive recommendation to the
Town Board. Mr. Lansing stated they have a brief outline of
the updates since their last submission to the Board. Mr.
Lansing stated a traffic study was prepared by Creighton
Manning and was submitted for CHA’s review. Mr. Lansing
stated they have received comments from CHA and that he and
Creighton Manning have reviewed their comments. Mr. Lansing
stated that one of CHA’s comments was revolving around sight
distance at the intersection of Route 146 and the realigned
Fellows Road. Mr. Lansing stated the study stated that the
sight distance was okay. Mr. Lansing stated the second issue
was the sight distance on Fellows Road where a barn was
located. Mr. Lansing stated the applicant has acquired the
parcel that includes the barn and an existing residential
structure thus allowing the potential for the roadway to be
realigned and those structures would be demolished. Mr.
Lansing stated this will alleviate the sight distance
problem and allows for the realignment of the roadway to
shift the intersection down more toward the east to improve
the sight distance. Mr. Lansing stated the applicant has
added 4 duplex lots that are in accordance with the area
requirements for that zoned area. Mr. Higgins asked if the
area where the applicant has added the 4 duplexes was the
area that was to be conveyed to the Town. Mr. Lansing stated
there is a portion of the land that will be used for the 4
duplexes but since the applicant acquired another parcel the
land that is to be conveyed to the Town is close to what it
was previously. Mr. Lansing stated 2 duplexes are proposed
for the other side of the road and the remaining 2 duplexes
are proposed for the recently acquired parcel of land. Mr.
Nadeau asked how much daily traffic would be generated for
the 355 residents. Mr. Lansing stated he did not have the
trip generation numbers with him but they are part of the
study that Creighton Manning prepared that has been
submitted to CHA. Mr. Lansing stated the traffic would
increase significantly above present levels of traffic. Mr.
Nadeau asked in which direction the people would travel. Mr.
Lansing stated he did not recall the trip assignments as far
as percentage either way on the road. Mr. Tanski stated that
by moving the road closer to the Town Highway Garage he
feels this would make people travel toward New Country
Pontiac to the traffic light. Mr. Higgins asked if the trip
generation required a traffic light. Mr. Lansing stated that
they are not identifying a light at this time but are
identifying keeping an eye on it and checking at full build
out but they are not recommending a traffic light at this
time. Mr. Nadeau stated that a project at Vosburgh Road
would be accessing Route 146 as well and asked if a light
was anticipated at NYSEG at some point. Mr. Bianchino stated
yes. Mr. Bianchino stated that the reason it was suggested
before was that the access that is shown on the plan is
future access to the adjoining parcel to the west was put in
to access the potential future road. Mr. Bianchino stated
this was another reason why it was suggested the roadway be
moved as far as east as possible so they would increase the
separation distance. Mr. Higgins asked if the Town or the
State would be liable for the cost of the traffic light
across from NYSEG. Mr. Watts stated that the practice has
been that the developers pay the cost of infrastructure
improvements. Mrs. Patenaude asked how if the Creighton
Manning traffic study address the impact that the number of
trips that will be generated by the number of houses at some
of the other area roadways as well. Mr. Lansing stated the
traffic study was limited to Route 146, Fellows Road and
Harris Road that are the primary intersections. Mr. Lansing
stated he did not believe the traffic study looked at other
area roadway intersections that would be impacted. Mrs.
Patenaude asked if the traffic study looked at Route 236
toward Mechanicville. Mr. Lansing stated he didn’t recall if
the traffic study included that area. Mr. Watts stated that
the traffic study needed to be looked at by Mr. Lansing so
he is prepared to answer the questions at the next meeting.
Mr. Lansing stated that Creighton Manning might be present
to represent the applicant on the traffic study. Mr.
Berkowitz asked if the road would be dug up and replanted or
would it be abandoned. Mr. Lansing stated there is a portion
of the road that would be abandoned, a portion would be left
for access to one existing residence and the other portion
would be dug up and replanted. Mr. Watts stated that there
were legitimate questions that would need to be answered at
the next meeting.
Mr. Berkowitz made a motion to set a Public Informational
Meeting for the May 23, 2005 Planning Board Meeting. Mr.
Nadeau seconded. Motion carried.
05.146 OB D & R Village, 430 Route 146 – Sign
The applicant was not present and no action was taken on
this item.
New Business:
05.156 NB John Lucarelli & Sons Inc., 117 Vosburgh Road –
Addition to
Site Plan
Mr. Chauvin recused himself from this item. Mr. Brian
Lucarelli proposes to construct a new storage facility for
the businesses’ machinery and equipment. Mr. Lucarelli
stated the proposed building would not be heated. Mr. Watts
asked if more traffic would be generated at the proposed
site with the storage facility. Mr. Lucarelli stated no. Mr.
Williams stated that the excavating/construction company is
considered a pre-existing, non-conforming use due to the
area being designated as an Agricultural/Residential zoned
district. Mr. Williams stated the applicant would need to
seek a Special Extension from the ZBA. Mrs. Murphy stated
because of the pre-existing, non-conforming use they would
need to apply to the ZBA.
Mr. Roberts made a motion to deny John Lucarelli & Sons Inc.
Addition to Site Plan application on the basis the property
is pre-existing, non-conforming expansion of use. Mr. Nadeau
seconded. Motion Carried.
05.157 NB Double Vision, 1915 Route 9 – Sign
Mr. Matt Spagnola, owner of Double Vision, proposes a sign
for Double Vision located at 1915 Route 9. Mr. Spagnola
stated the proposed sign would be same dimensions as the
former “Odyssey” sign. Mr. Spagnola stated that the only
changes would be in the name and the colors of sign. Mr.
Roberts asked what colors would be used. Mr. Spagnola stated
the proposed sign colors would be burgundy with black
lettering with silver outline. Mr. Roberts stated there
could be no neon. Mr. Spagnola stated the old neon sign has
been removed. Mr. Watts asked if the site had been cleaned
up. Mr. Spagnola stated yes. Mr. Higgins asked the applicant
if he has submitted plans for the parking area. Mr. Spagnola
stated he did have the plan and he would give it to Mr.
Williams.
Mr. Roberts made a motion to approve Double Vision’s sign
application contingent upon the sign having no exposed neon.
Mr. Ruchlicki seconded. Motion carried.
05.158 NB CJ Design, 275 Upper Newtown Road – Commercial Use
Ms. Cheryl Judge-Decker, owner/operator of CJ Design,
proposes to use her existing property located at 275 Upper
Newtown Road for an interior design business she now
operates in Latham. Ms. Decker stated she is proposing to
construct a barn-type structure with a garage below and a
space above to keep samples of the materials she uses in her
interior decorating. Ms. Decker stated the proposed building
would be utilized for an office/studio. Mr. Nadeau asked if
customers would come to the proposed location. Ms. Decker
stated it would be very rare for customers to come to her
and if so it would be done by appointment only. Ms. Decker
stated almost all of her work is done at her customer’s
home. Mr. Higgins asked if the applicant had any other
employees. Ms. Decker stated she had one employee. Mr.
Roberts asked if she would have a sign for the business. Ms.
Decker stated not at this time, as she does not want to
encourage people coming to the site, as it is her residence.
Mr. Ruchlicki asked if the structure would look like the
rendition that was provided to the Board. Ms. Decker stated
yes. Ms. Decker stated that the lower part would be a garage
for their personal vehicles. Ms. Decker stated there would
not be a kitchen as stated on the plan. Ms. Decker stated
the proposed building would be for office space only. Mrs.
Patenaude asked how often she would receive deliveries. Ms.
Decker stated 3 to 4 times a week. Mr. Higgins asked if
there would be sanitary facilities. Ms. Decker stated yes
there would be a bathroom. Mr. Higgins asked if her property
had sewer or septic. Ms. Decker stated it was septic. Ms.
Decker stated she is hoping the bathroom facility for the
proposed building could be tied-in to their existing septic
system. Mr. Higgins asked if water was available. Ms. Decker
stated there is a well on the property. Mr. Higgins stated
that they have to make sure there is separation between the
water and septic system. Ms. Decker stated they would. Mr.
Berkowitz asked the applicant if she would do upholstering
at the proposed location. Ms. Decker stated the upholstering
is done with outside services at other locations. Ms. Decker
stated her upholsterer would pick the item up at the
client’s home, take to the upholsterer’s and deliver back to
the client. Mr. Nadeau stated this proposed use was similar
to an In-Home Occupation in a Commercial zone and he does
not see any issue with the proposed project.
Mr. Nadeau made a motion to approve CJ Design’s application
for commercial use. Mr. Berkowitz seconded. Motion carried.
05.159 NB Sportsplex of Halfmoon, 6 Corporate Drive –
Amendment to
PDD
Mr. Tom Andress, of ABD Engineering, proposes a modification
to the PDD for the Halfmoon Sportsplex. Mr. Andress stated
that there has a huge demand of people calling the facility
for uses other than for recreational facility that it was
approved for. Mr. Andress stated they have submitted a short
summary for the type of proposed uses are consumer shows,
boat shows, car shows, trade shows, private rentals and use
of the facility by the owner for multi-use. Mr. Andress
stated that they are proposing a number of other uses and
the applicant does not have an all-inclusive list. Mr.
Andress stated that he is sure there would be concerns with
parking, traffic, capacity, exit capabilities and bathroom
facilities. Mr. Andress stated he understands the proposed
uses would be a very difficult job for both the applicants
and the Town, especially the Town Attorney, to try to put
together something that would give some leeway but also try
to answer some of the questions that the Board will have in
relationship to concerns about parking and traffic. Mr.
Watts stated the Board has no information based on Mr.
Andress’s presentation of possible uses that might occur.
Mr. Watts asked how many people would attend the trade
shows. Mr. Watts stated that back in January 2005 the Board
was asked about a Special Use Permit for this facility for
The Adirondack Living Show as a possibility. Mr. Watts asked
if they know how many people and how many booths they had at
that show. Mr. Andress stated he did not know. Mr. Watts
asked how many parking spaces are at the facility. Mr.
Andress stated 228 parking spaces. Mr. Watts stated they all
have the same questions on parking and traffic that was
mentioned at the Town Board Meeting. Mr. Watts stated there
are issues about specificity use that was also asked at the
Town Board Meeting. Mr. Watts stated there is no proposal
with any specificity at this point. Mr. Roberts stated that
when the Sportsplex application was before the Board he was
in favor of the project but has concerns about the new
proposed uses. Mr. Roberts stated he had many concerns with
the parking, as it would be a very dangerous situation with
a large number of people as he has seen happen at other
locations with such events. Mrs. Patenaude stated she
recalled that when the Board was originally going over the
Sportsplex they went back and forth over parking and traffic
until they finally arrived at something. Mrs. Patenaude
stated the new proposal would have a huge impact on these
issues. Mrs. Patenaude there were no specific proposed uses
and she does not see anything that is workable for this
proposal. Mr. Nadeau stated that when the Sportsplex was
approved there were questions asked if there would be any
other uses for the facility and the Board was told no it
would just be used for sports such as; soccer, lacrosse,
field hockey and practice fields. Mr. Nadeau stated that one
of the main reasons the Board approved the Sportsplex
facility was because it was stated that there would be no
other uses other than the sports mentioned. Mr. Higgins
stated the code safety inspector has serious concerns about
exits and sanitary facilities. Mr. Higgins stated that at
the Sportsplex Public Hearing a neighbor next door and had
serious concerns parking and traffic. Mr. Higgins stated he
did not see how they would possibly have even a small
function with only 228 parking spaces. Mr. Higgins stated
that given the issues of parking and traffic he did not see
the proposal as a viable project. Mr. Ruchlicki stated the
original proposal was very specific on the uses and now the
new proposal has nothing specific about the uses. Mr.
Ruchlicki stated that the Board was specific on how they
wanted things to go with traffic and parking and he does not
see any change that would be feasible. Mr. Andress stated at
the present time they do not have one specific event. Mr.
Andress stated there has a large demand for other uses since
the facility has been operational. Mr. Andress stated that
perhaps they could approach the Board for Special Use
Permits for each specific use at a specific time. Mr.
Andress stated that each event would be different and
perhaps that is why he was not specific in his presentation.
Mr. Andress stated that the applicants were present and they
can answer questions on why they are proposing modifications
to the Sportsplex. Mr. Watts stated that the Adirondack
Living Show was listed as a possible use for a special event
in their proposal with 80 vendors. Mr. Watts stated that
recently the Adirondack Living Show was held at the Pepsi
Arena and they had 172 vendors. Mr. Watts stated that these
trade shows bring in trucks, vans, electricians, plumbers,
and carpenters to set up. Mr. Watts stated with 80 vendors
there could be 3, 4, 5 or 6 people at a booth and the
Sportsplex’s on-site parking is only for 228 spaces. Mr.
Watts stated he was thankful the Special Use Permit for this
trade show was not approved because the Board does worry
about the safety of people within the Town of Halfmoon. Mr.
Watts stated to Mr. Andress the project is a good idea but
until the Board receives additional information relative to
parking, traffic, size of shows, how many vendors, how many
parking spaces are needed, how many cars, how many trucks,
and hours of operation, there is nothing before the Board to
act on. Mr. Nadeau agreed with Mr. Watts’ statement and
stated that not knowing what type of events there will be
the applicants would not know what to expect in terms of
traffic. Mr. Nadeau stated with this type of situation he
does not see how this could ever work. Mr. Ed Abele, the
applicant, stated they never expected to come in before the
Board tonight to get a resolution on anything. Mr. Abele
stated that it was his understanding that when there is an
amendment to a PDD, they had to start with the Town Board,
which they did and then they were referred to the Planniing
Board for technical consideration. Mr. Ed Abele stated that
all they were hoping for this evening was to get guidance
from the Planning Board as to what are the areas that they
have to study. Mr. Ed Abele stated it was obviously to them
that parking and traffic flow would be #1 but it is very
expensive and would be required. Mr. Ed Abele stated they
want to give the Board specificity but they needed to start
at some point. Mr. Ed Abele stated that this project was
unusual because they are not building a new building or
parking lot and normally there are designs associated with
this. Mr. Ed Abele stated they propose to modify the use of
the facility and there is a lot of resulting analysis that
they are prepared to do. Mr. Ed Abele stated that they would
like guidance from the Board and Clough Harbour to direct
them down the right path. Mr. Ed Abele stated they were
pleasantly surprise when they opened the facility that in
the off season people would consider utilizing their
facility for trade shows in which he feels is a testament to
the attraction of Halfmoon, Saratoga County and the
facility. Mr. Ed Abele stated he is aware the ball is in
their court to produce the analysis that would give the
Planning Board the tools to make a judgment. Mr. Ed Abele
stated if you look at the general concept of trade shows
interest, it is not something that should be frowned upon.
Mr. Ed Abele stated he feels the trade shows would serve the
interest of the community. Mr. Roberts stated that the Board
was not frowning upon the trade shows persay, but on some of
the suggested uses. Mr. Roberts stated the narrative stated
“consumer shows including boat, car, food, toy, collectors,
and other similar shows open to the public including Circus
and entertainment type shows except rock concerts open to
the general public”. Mr. Roberts stated he felt this was
over use of the facility. Mr. Ed Abele stated Mr. Roberts’
concerns are all understood and very welcome but if you are
to go up the Northway to Lake George at a facility that is
smaller than the Sportsplex facility, these facilities
successfully handle trade shows. Mr. Higgins stated he was
in Lake George when one of those trade shows was taking
place and cars were parked all up and down Route 9, cars
were parked on all off the side roads to the rear of forum.
Mr. Higgins stated that Lake George was willing to accept
that situation but he believes the Town of Halfmoon is not
willing to have that kind of parking situation because it is
not a safe situation. Mr. Higgins stated the Board is
concerned about the parking and traffic being an unsafe
situation. Mr. Ed Abele stated he would not argue with Mr.
Higgins’ concern as that is something they know, as
applicants, they have to demonstrate. Mr. Higgins asked the
applicant where they proposed to locate sufficient
additional parking on the existing site to even allow a
small show. Mr. Chris Abele stated that there was more than
adequate parking. Mr. Chris Abele stated the Sportsplex is
located in a business park so on weekends it is virtually
empty. Mr. Higgins stated that with the initial approval for
this site the Town Attorney explained to the applicants that
the adjacent parking is not considered on-site parking
because there are no sidewalks. Mr. Higgins further stated
that in order for the Board to approve something for this
specific, there has to be on-site parking. Mr. Chris Abele
asked if the land that they own adjacent to the Sportsplex,
that presently has no development on it, could be considered
for additional parking. Mr. Higgins asked if the applicants
would be expanding the site to include the additional
parking. Mr. Chris Abele stated that was a possibility. Mr.
Watts stated that it was certainly a possibility but these
numbers overwhelm the Board when they are looking at the
proposed projects. Mr. Watts stated that before the Board
proceeds further there are a huge number of concerns they
need answered. Mr. Watts stated the Board needed great
specificity as to the types of shows and the maximum
capacity. Mr. Watts stated the building may be large enough
to do an Adirondack Trade show, but means nothing unless
there is adequate parking available. Mr. Watts stated that
at the Town Board Meeting Councilwoman Parker talked about a
traffic light and Mrs. Wormuth stated very specifically
about the need for much more in the way of specifics before
they came to the Planning Board. Mr. Ed Abele stated that
they will provide the specifics but they did not want to get
ahead of themselves and go in a different direction than the
Board may have wanted. Mr. Ed Abele stated they are prepared
to do some analysis. Mr. Ed Abele asked if there would be a
committee assigned. Mr. Watts stated a committee would not
be set-p until the Board receives something back that is
specific to read. Mr. Watts stated the only thing the Board
can do at this point is to vote for a negative
recommendation back to the Town Board based on the
information that was provided. Mr. Roberts questioned if the
proposed additional parking lot had to be permanent
dedicated to the site before the Board approved this use.
Mr. Chauvin stated yes. Mr. Chauvin stated that unless it is
a dedicated area to that particular site, we would not
consider it part of the site. Mr. Chauvin stated that
adjacent lots and shared parking unless there is
pre-existing approved use. Mr. Ed Abele stated they would
involve Creighton Manning with respect to parking and also
traffic flow. Mr. Ed Abele stated that they wanted to start
up the process, give the Board a chance to react and now
they will proceed.
This item was tabled for additional information regarding
traffic, parking, and specificity on all proposed uses.
05.160 NB Birchwood Drive Dev., 1 Birchwood Drive –
Commercial Site
Plan
Mr. Brett Steenburgh, of Brett L. Steenburgh P.E. PLLC,
stated he is representing Shawn Francis for a proposal for a
retail establishment located at 1 Birchwood Drive in the
Town of Halfmoon. Mr. Steenburgh stated that 1 Birchwood
Drive is located behind the Country Farms Convenient Store
and across Grooms Road from the Halfmoon Diner. Mr.
Steenburgh stated 1 Birchwood Drive has an existing 1-1/2
story wood framed residential structure. Mr. Steenburgh
stated the property has been abandoned and there has been a
lot of water damage due to pipes that have burst. Mr.
Steenburgh stated the applicant currently owns a commercial
structure on Route 9 for Finally Free Electrolysis and
Planet Print is a tenant. Mr. Steenburgh stated that the
Birchwood parcel is currently zoned C-1 Commercial that
requires a 25,000 SF lot area. Mr. Steenburgh stated the
existing parcel is approximately 16,900 SF. Mr. Steenburgh
stated the applicant was aware that he would need to seek a
variance to enable him to move forward on this project. Mr.
Steenburgh stated the applicant is proposing to construct at
24,000 SF retail building with associated parking. Mr.
Steenburgh stated the proposed retail building would be set
back from the property line with the minimum of 50 FT. from
the front set-back and 15 FT. from the rear and side yard
set-back. Mr. Steenburgh stated the proposed project is to
have two uses within the facility. Mr. Steenburgh stated the
uses have not yet been determined. Mr. Steenburgh stated
that because of the complicated geometry of Grooms Road and
turning lanes, the proposed access would be off of Birchwood
Lane. Mr. Steenburgh stated the proposed access would be
small driveway located toward the rear of the property that
would allow access to the parking area. Mr. Steenburgh
stated he was before the Board to receive a denial so they
may move forward to the Zoning Board of Appeals to be
granted a variance. Mr. Steenburgh stated they were also
before the Board to get their concerns and comments on the
sketch plan so they can draw up a plan that everyone is
comfortable with. Mrs. Patenaude asked if an adjacent parcel
was also zoned Commercial. Mr. Steenburgh stated he was not
positive how that parcel was zoned. Mr. Chauvin stated there
is a restrictive covenant as there is an issue of zoning and
asked the Board to hesitate to act tonight until he or Mrs.
Murphy have a chance to review those issues. Mr. Chauvin
stated that he would like to review the release of the
restrictive covenant associated with this parcel and also
would like CHA to review the site plan to make sure there
are no zoning issues prior to the application being denied
to seek an area variance from the ZBA. Mr. Watts asked where
is the release of the restrictive covenant. Mr. Williams
stated the Town Assessor’s files contain it and he would
copy and forward it to the Town Attorney. Mr. Nadeau stated
he had concern that the parcel may be too small for what is
proposed.
This item was tabled and referred to CHA and Town Attorney
for review of restrictive covenant release.
05.161 NB Jimmy’s Italian Ice, 1615 Route 9 – Sign
Mr. Bill Hunt, owner/operator of Jimmy’s Italian Ice,
proposes to replace his existing “Soup Doggy Dog” with an
interchangeable letter sign so he can advertising his
special of the day. Mr. Hunt stated the sign would be
similar to the letter sign at DeVoe’s. Mr. Hunt stated that
“Soup Doggy Dog” was very creative but did not work out. Mr.
Roberts asked how the sign would be lit. Mr. Hunt stated the
sign would be internally lit. Mr. Roberts asked if the sign
would have neon. Mr. Hunt stated no. Mr. Roberts stated that
the sign could not be in the NY State right-of-way and has
to be set back far enough on the property. Mr. Hunt stated
the new sign would be located where the existing sign is now
and would not go outside the perimeter of existing sign. Mr.
Roberts asked if the sign’s dimensions would be 8 FT. high
and 4 Ft. wide. Mr. Hunt stated yes. Mr. Roberts stated that
there are some yellow sandwich signs on the property and a
truck that would have to be removed. Mr. Hunts stated he has
removed those signs. Mrs. Murphy stated it is not permitted
to have any portable mounted signs attached to a motor
vehicle.
Mr. Roberts made a motion to approve the sign application
for Jimmy’s Italian Ice. Mrs. Patenaude seconded. Motion
carried.
05.162 NB County Waste, 1927 Route 9 – Commercial Site Plan/GEIS
The applicant was not present and no action was taken on
this item.
Mrs. Patenaude made a motion to adjourn the May 9, 2005
Planning Board Meeting at 9:04 pm. Mr. Berkowitz seconded.
Motion carried.
Respectfully submitted,
Milly Pascuzzi
Planning Board Secretary
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